> For the complete documentation index, see [llms.txt](https://legalops.liquid-legal.org/llms.txt). Markdown versions of documentation pages are available by appending `.md` to page URLs; this page is available as [Markdown](https://legalops.liquid-legal.org/interactive-round-tables/session-20-an-alternate-look-at-legal-ops-how-governance-and-methodology-define-the-function.md).

# Session 20: An alternate look at legal ops, how governance and methodology define the function

### Speaker

**Michiel Ypma** Group Head of Legal Operations and Finance at ABB ([LinkedIn](https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.linkedin.com%2Fin%2Fmichiel-ypma-77b7bb%2F\&data=05%7C02%7CBernhard.Waltl%40bmwgroup.com%7C341d50e66a0748ea3f1708dce89f84f1%7Cce849babcc1c465bb62e18f07c9ac198%7C0%7C0%7C638641019085992498%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C\&sdata=765AJDyUxbmGVSweXs%2F4esKkzmkkPyYij%2Ba5QCChHkY%3D\&reserved=0))

CLM and AI between them make up the majority of the current chatter in most conferences and articles in relation to Legal and Legal Operations, probably the least discussed area and possibly most hated are governance and methodology. Getting your foundation right will makes the rest look easy and is what differentiates Legal operations. A deep dive, some challenges you might face and some upsides in your journey.

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